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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:15:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:If CCP chooses to remove the winner of this process, who received more votes than the next 3 candidates combined, it calls into question the whole election's validity at representing those who voted.
Rerun the election, or the results are worthless.
That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.
I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.
When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.
Such is life. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:27:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:That's not how it works. If a President is impeached and removed from office, they don't just hold a new Presidential election right then and there. There's an order of succession, and that's what will take over.
I can understand feeling disenfranchised right now. The person you voted for, and who won in what can only be described as a massive landslide, will not in fact be holding the position he was elected to. It seems unfair. Unfortunately, that's how the process works.
When you make a choice that doesn't work out for you, you can't just suddenly demand to do it over with new options. You have to live with the consequences of your choice. You chose a person who later committed actions that caused him to be removed from office.
Such is life. Research "By-Election". The Mittani is not a president, but a member of a house.
By-elections only apply when there's not a line of succession in place.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the CSM alternates are for?
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:41:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Research "By-Election". The Mittani is not a president, but a member of a house. By-elections only apply when there's not a line of succession in place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the CSM alternates are for?
And in regular (At least here in NZ) systems, when the electoral candidate is removed or removes themselves the position does not drop down to the next highest vote count. see this as a special circumstance because it represents a large slice of the voting population (Almost 20%!) and it is the position of Chairman.
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Well, I guess there's so much variance all around the world it's pointless for the two of us to really speculate on it. I'll admit as an Israeli living in America I get pretty mixed up about how various government thingies work at times.
It's easy to get caught up in how things are done at home, and not be mindful of the rest of the world and how their processes work. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:50:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Perhaps it would be wise to propose a system of alternates in future elections? The candidates choose their VPs and run on a two-man ticket, to ensure that the message is heard even if the particular winner is unable to continue to represent due to illness or hurt feelings? Something, yes. This is our damn in-game democracy. We should be able to shape it the way we want it.
I could see a two-man ticket system getting really complicated.
I do agree that in the future there should be some kind of set system in the event of this kind of thing...whether a panel of alternates, junior members, By-election system, etc. Codification is good! |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:58:00 -
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Doddy wrote:The whole alternates thing is stupid from the start, though ccp are pretty unlucky that this perfect storm (candidate gets enormous vote then is removed immediately with the alternate system leaving his voters disenfranchised) has happened to expose its flaws.
That's actually a good thing. Now that the problem is known, it can be fixed.
The CSM needs to be further codified in the event of future incidents like this. If you have a set plan in place beforehand, when the unthinkable happens you don't have a ton of people running around screaming and helpless...you have instructions to follow. You learn that in the military pretty quickly. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:36:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:
Pretty much this. LET THE TEN THOUSAND HAVE THEIR SAY.
They had their say.
Their say was expelled.
Why do they deserve to speak twice? |
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